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Avião da AA sofre acidente ao pousar na Jamaica


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#61 Wind Sand and Stars

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Postado 03 de janeiro de 2010 - 14:55

Algumas informações garimpadas na net:

- Pouso foi feito próximo do MLW, devido a through tankage feito pela AA rotineiramente nessa rota

- A pista em Manley não tem grooving e é conhecida por ser escorregadia, além de dificil visualização/aproximação noturna (devido suas caracteísticas de porta-avião).

- Condições de vento no momento eram mais favoráveis para o pouso na 30, mas a tripulação optou por não fazer o circling para esta cabeceira e sim pousar na 12.

- Aparentemente as autoridades jamaicanas já determinaram que o toque se deu +/- 4000ft após a cabeceira, numa pista de aprox. 8900ft de comprimento.

- As condições reinantes antes do acidente (ocorrido prox. das 0300Z / 2200LT):
23/12/2009 MKJP 230228Z 31009KT 55000 TSRA BKN014 FEW016CB SCT030 BKN10022/19 Q1013=
23/12/2009 MKJP 230325Z 32011KT 22000 +SHRA BKN014 FEW016CBSCT030 BKN100 21/19 Q1014 RETSRA=
23/12/2009 MKJP 230400Z 32014KT 11500 +SHRA BKN014 FEW016CB SCT028 BKN09021/18 Q1013 RERA=
23/12/2009 MKJP 230430Z 34011KT 44000 RA BKN014 FEW016CBBKN100 21/13 Q1013 RESHRA=

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#62 Wind Sand and Stars

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Postado 03 de janeiro de 2010 - 15:04

Acabei esquecendo de comentar que esse acidente tem semelhanças gritantes com aquele acontecido com o F-GLZQ (AF358) em 2005 em Toronto.

Engraçado como algumas lições são (aparentemente) tão dificilmente assimiladas pelos tripulantes, ou talvez esquecidas no "calor do momento".. Mas aqui estou especulando novamente.

WSS

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Postado 08 de janeiro de 2010 - 20:55

Pilots in AA Kingston overrun were advised to use a different approach



Controllers at Norman Manley International airport in Kingston, Jamaica offered the crew of an American Airlines Boeing 737-800 that overran a runway on 23 December a circling approach to the opposite runway end in order to avoid tailwind conditions prevalent at the time, according to a preliminary report released today by the civil aviation authority of Jamaica.

During a landing in heavy rain the aircraft exited the runway, went through a perimeter fence, crossed a road and came to rest 53m (175ft) beyond the end of runway 12, which was 12m (40ft) from the water line.



Officials say the controllers on duty at the time advised the American crew of tailwind conditions on runway 12. The airport has a single runway designated 12/30.

In the report Jamaican authorities explained air traffic control offered the crew a circling approach for landing on runway 30.



"The crew repeated their request for runway 12 and were subsequently cleared to land on that runway, with the controller further advising the crew that the runway was wet," the report states.

The captain was operating the aircraft at the time, and reported he was using the 737's head-up display during approach and landing.



After descending through cloud cover the crew made visual contact with the runway between 305m (1000ft) and 213m (700ft) above ground level. The flight data recorder (FDR) indicates the landing speed was 148kt (268 km/h), with a ground speed of 162kt (300 km/h) and a tailwind component of 14kt (25 km/h). The 737 made initial contact at 1,220m (4,000ft) down the 2,714m (8,900ft) runway.

FDR data show that the aircraft bounced once and settled into the runway. The autobrakes then engaged, and reverse thrust and spoilers were deployed.



Jamaican authorities say the crew reported at that point they felt the aircraft did not decelerate normally, and applied maximum breaking.

During the landing rollout, the FDR shows the aircraft veered to the left of centreline and departed the end of the runway at a groundspeed of 63kt (116 km/h).



The reports states the FDR did not indicate any anomalies or malfunction with the operation of the brakes, spoilers or thrust reversers.

The runway at Kingston was rehabilitated in 1997-1998 with a mixture of asphalt and concrete that meets internationally accepted specifications and standards, said Jamaican officials during a press briefing today.



Those officials also said the fact that many aircraft have landed at the airport for years in heavy rains is "not outside the envelope of normality".

Source: Air Transport Intelligence news


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Postado 09 de janeiro de 2010 - 19:42

é meu amigo.. como diria Amaury Dumbo:

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Postado 09 de janeiro de 2010 - 20:22

QUOTE(Wind Sand and Stars @ Jan 3 2010, 03:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Acabei esquecendo de comentar que esse acidente tem semelhanças gritantes com aquele acontecido com o F-GLZQ (AF358) em 2005 em Toronto.

Engraçado como algumas lições são (aparentemente) tão dificilmente assimiladas pelos tripulantes, ou talvez esquecidas no "calor do momento".. Mas aqui estou especulando novamente.

WSS


É a famosa compulsão pelo pouso, por isso um bom CRM na cabine sempre é bem vindo.....

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Postado 11 de janeiro de 2010 - 15:43

Como dizia aquele velho ditado....


"Cautela e caldo de galinha não faz mal a ninguém... exceto à galinha" thumbsup.gif

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Postado 11 de janeiro de 2010 - 22:00

QUOTE(Comet @ Jan 8 2010, 09:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Pilots in AA Kingston overrun were advised to use a different approach



Controllers at Norman Manley International airport in Kingston, Jamaica offered the crew of an American Airlines Boeing 737-800 that overran a runway on 23 December a circling approach to the opposite runway end in order to avoid tailwind conditions prevalent at the time, according to a preliminary report released today by the civil aviation authority of Jamaica.

During a landing in heavy rain the aircraft exited the runway, went through a perimeter fence, crossed a road and came to rest 53m (175ft) beyond the end of runway 12, which was 12m (40ft) from the water line.



Officials say the controllers on duty at the time advised the American crew of tailwind conditions on runway 12. The airport has a single runway designated 12/30.

In the report Jamaican authorities explained air traffic control offered the crew a circling approach for landing on runway 30.



"The crew repeated their request for runway 12 and were subsequently cleared to land on that runway, with the controller further advising the crew that the runway was wet," the report states.

The captain was operating the aircraft at the time, and reported he was using the 737's head-up display during approach and landing.



After descending through cloud cover the crew made visual contact with the runway between 305m (1000ft) and 213m (700ft) above ground level. The flight data recorder (FDR) indicates the landing speed was 148kt (268 km/h), with a ground speed of 162kt (300 km/h) and a tailwind component of 14kt (25 km/h). The 737 made initial contact at 1,220m (4,000ft) down the 2,714m (8,900ft) runway.

FDR data show that the aircraft bounced once and settled into the runway. The autobrakes then engaged, and reverse thrust and spoilers were deployed.



Jamaican authorities say the crew reported at that point they felt the aircraft did not decelerate normally, and applied maximum breaking.

During the landing rollout, the FDR shows the aircraft veered to the left of centreline and departed the end of the runway at a groundspeed of 63kt (116 km/h).



The reports states the FDR did not indicate any anomalies or malfunction with the operation of the brakes, spoilers or thrust reversers.

The runway at Kingston was rehabilitated in 1997-1998 with a mixture of asphalt and concrete that meets internationally accepted specifications and standards, said Jamaican officials during a press briefing today.



Those officials also said the fact that many aircraft have landed at the airport for years in heavy rains is "not outside the envelope of normality".

Source: Air Transport Intelligence news



Lendo isso podemos perceber:

1- Chuva forte
2 - Avião pesado (pra VREF estar a 148kt tinha que estar bem pesado)
3 - Pousando com componente de vento de cauda de 14kt (o que é bastante considerável)
4 - Pista sem grooving
5 - Toque se deu pouco antes da metade da pista
6 - Avião ainda deu uma quicada antes de fincar de vez no solo

Realmente difícil de parar o avião em uma condição dessas. E incrível que, mesmo passando pela cabeceira a 63kt, o avião não foi parar no mar.





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