sinico.aeronauta Posted June 1, 2014 Share Posted June 1, 2014 Status: PreliminaryDate: Saturday 31 May 2014Time: 21:40Type: Gulfstream G-IVOperator: UnknownRegistration: registration unknownC/n / msn: First flight: Crew: Fatalities: / Occupants:Passengers: Fatalities: / Occupants:Total: Fatalities: / Occupants: 7Airplane damage: Damaged beyond repairLocation: Bedford-Hanscom Field, MA (BED) ( United States of America)Phase: Takeoff (TOF)Nature: UnknownDeparture airport: Bedford-Hanscom Field, MA (BED/KBED), United States of AmericaDestination airport: Atlantic City International Airport, NJ (ACY/KACY), United States of AmericaNarrative:A Gulfstream G-IV crashed and burst into flames during takeoff from runway 11 at Bedford-Hanscom Field, MA (BED). There were seven people on board. ___________________________________________________________________________ http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2014/05/31/small-plane-crashes-hanscom-field-faa-says/WgrPLtvHF29fia9KctZboJ/story.html BEDFORD — A private plane carrying seven people ran off a runway Saturday night at Hanscom Field and burst into flames. All seven died, officials said. The plane, a Gulfstream IV headed to Atlantic City International Airport in New Jersey, was departing from Hanscom Runway 11 at about 9:40 p.m., according to Jim Peters, a spokesman for the Federal Aviation Administration. Sharon Williams, the Hanscom Field director, said early Sunday morning that families of the victims were being notified. Related PHOTOS Hanscom Field plane crash leaves 7 dead “Our thoughts and prayers go out to them tonight,” she said. The identities of the victims were not released early Sunday. Williams did provide any other information about the victims. The plane exploded in a blast that sent a fireball and a large plume of black smoke into the air, said Bedford resident Jeff Patterson, 43, who lives beside the runway. The flames rose 60 feet in the air, he said. His 14-year-old son, Jared, said the explosion rattled the house. “I heard a big boom, and I thought at the time that someone was trying to break into my house because it shook it,” said Jared Patterson. “I thought someone was, like, banging on the door trying to get in.” Firefighters arrived quickly at the scene and were able to extinguish the flames in a short time, the Pattersons said. Still, the damage to the plane was extensive. From parking lots behind office buildings on Hartwell Avenue in Lexington, smoke could be seen rising from the airport grounds at the end of the runway, lit by floodlights and flashing emergency lights. The airport was closed after the crash as emergency personnel arrived, according to Matthew Brelis, a spokesman for the Massachusetts Port Authority. Williams said the airport would remain closed indefinitely. She also said that more information would be released around 8 a.m. Sunday. Peters said the FAA and the National Transportation Safety Board will investigate, and that the NTSB would determine the probable cause of the accident. Police and firefighters from Bedford and Lexington were at the scene Saturday night, along with a hazardous materials team, police officials said. An ambulance could be seen driving toward the runway about an hour after the crash. Otherwise, the runway was dark. An American flag fluttered in the cold wind. Smoke from the crash could be smelled several miles to the southeast in Lexington. It hung in the air in the streets closer to the crash. Two state troopers stood guard at a gate at an entrance to the airfield early Sunday morning, occasionally waving in vehicles, which then drove past several small planes, and down an access road into the darkness along the airfield. The main entrance to the civilian airfield at the Air Force Base was closed off by state troopers. L.G. Hanscom Field was built during World War II on 500 acres of land in the towns of Bedford, Concord, Lexington, and Lincoln, according to MassPort. The facility operates jointly as a public general aviation airport and as a resource for the adjacent Hanscom Air Force Base. Officials said the plane was on Bedford property. MARTIN FINUCANE/GLOBE STAFF An image from the scene at Hanscom Field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PR-JJV Posted June 1, 2014 Share Posted June 1, 2014 BIzarro demais! Queria saber a matrícula. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownToFlaps Posted June 1, 2014 Share Posted June 1, 2014 121JM Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Air Force One Posted June 1, 2014 Share Posted June 1, 2014 Estranho e lamentável, força aos familiares... Não vi nada sobre precipitação por lá ontem mas as temperaturas chegaram perto de 0. Será que pode haver alguma relação com gelo esse acidente? Tô meio na base do chutômetro, mas imagino que o acft devia estar pesando cerca de 56,000 e 61,000 lbs para uma autonomia de 2 ou 3 hrs?! (voo de 50 min + alt + 30min) Tentei procurar uma tabela do GIV e acho que ele deveria usar +- 3500 a 4000 ft para decolar. e a pista oferece 7000 ft. Diz-se que light frost pode aumentar a velocidade de stall 20%. Não consegui achar Vr, VS1 ou VS0 do GIV. Uma pena o acidente, espero que logo possamos descobrir a razão do acidente. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PR-JJV Posted June 1, 2014 Share Posted June 1, 2014 Valeu Down! Tinha acabado de achar aqui também... N121JM. Um GLF4 do ano 2000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PR-JJV Posted June 1, 2014 Share Posted June 1, 2014 Estranho e lamentável, força aos familiares... Não vi nada sobre precipitação por lá ontem mas as temperaturas chegaram perto de 0. Será que pode haver alguma relação com gelo esse acidente? Tô meio na base do chutômetro, mas imagino que o acft devia estar pesando cerca de 56,000 e 61,000 lbs para uma autonomia de 2 ou 3 hrs?! (voo de 50 min + alt + 30min) Tentei procurar uma tabela do GIV e acho que ele deveria usar +- 3500 a 4000 ft para decolar. e a pista oferece 7000 ft. Diz-se que light frost pode aumentar a velocidade de stall 20%. Não consegui achar Vr, VS1 ou VS0 do GIV. Uma pena o acidente, espero que logo possamos descobrir a razão do acidente. AF1, realmente triste. Quanto às V-speeds, não sei precisamente mas pode considerar algo parecido com o Fokker 70. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delta Wing Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 O GIV possui CVR e, principalmente, FDR? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omykron Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 Sim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Air Force One Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/2014/05/31/report-plane-crashes-hanscom-airfield/y8uzrr7aUQ1FiTck4uicRO/story.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonotto Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 Crash on take off é para ser muito pesquisado. Aguardar o National Transportation Safety Board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elton Farias Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 Uma dúvida....existe possibilidade de um acidente desse ter ocorrido por problemas na configuração dos flaps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Air Force One Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 Uma dúvida....existe possibilidade de um acidente desse ter ocorrido por problemas na configuração dos flaps? Olha Elton, Eu não sei se é relacionado aos flaps, mas parece que com essa última reportagem o avião varou a pista e nunca saiu do chão. Faltou sustentação de alguma forma, flaps, trim gelo... ou o que mais? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego Oliveira Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 http://noticias.uol.com.br/album/album-do-dia/2014/06/03/imagens-do-dia---3-de-junho-de-2014.htm?abrefoto=1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sydy Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 Olha Elton, Eu não sei se é relacionado aos flaps, mas parece que com essa última reportagem o avião varou a pista e nunca saiu do chão. Faltou sustentação de alguma forma, flaps, trim gelo... ou o que mais? Estou na CAE aqui em Dallas e o papo que rola aqui foi um late abort... Se o cara abortou tardiamente, a possbilidade de dar caca era grande mesmo... E deu... Pena. Aguardemos mais um pouco. Abcs, Sydy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hudson Eduardo Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 Segue uma foto... Uma pena mesmo. Alguem viu se os pilotos conseguiram sobreviver? http://noticias.uol.com.br/album/album-do-dia/2014/06/03/imagens-do-dia---3-de-junho-de-2014.htm?abrefoto=1#fotoNav=1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aramarcos Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 Segue uma foto... Uma pena mesmo. Alguem viu se os pilotos conseguiram sobreviver? http://noticias.uol.com.br/album/album-do-dia/2014/06/03/imagens-do-dia---3-de-junho-de-2014.htm?abrefoto=1#fotoNav=1 morreram todos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EXPTATR Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 Estou na CAE aqui em Dallas e o papo que rola aqui foi um late abort... Se o cara abortou tardiamente, a possbilidade de dar caca era grande mesmo... E deu... Pena. Aguardemos mais um pouco. Abcs, Sydy Oi Sydy, no predio anexo ao da CAE, o papo é o mesmo.Abs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Air Force One Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 Lamentável acidente. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_South_Carolina_Learjet_60_crash Indo pelo lado que o Sydy e o EXPTAIR citaram, pelo menos desta vez podemos "comemorar" a existência da FDR para quem sabe conseguir evitar mais acidentes iguais. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sydy Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 Oi Sydy, no predio anexo ao da CAE, o papo é o mesmo.AbsEXPTATR, Hj eu vi umas fotos. As marcas dos 4 pneus principais indica integridade e atuação de anti-skid. O NLG colapsou ao sair da pista, depois colapsou um MLG. Os reversos não foram atuados. Vamos esperar mais dados. Abcs, Sydy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sinico.aeronauta Posted June 4, 2014 Author Share Posted June 4, 2014 so' de pensar que entre as duas turbinas sobraram somente as cinzas dos pobres pax....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Air Force One Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 Caramba, o impacto deve ter sido muitooo forte, aparentemente o cockpit passou meio livre do fogo e teve uma janela quebrada, o que diminuiria muito a chance de asfixiamento, não?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinicius17 Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 Sydy, O pessoal ai esta comentando que pide ser late abort, mas e estranho porque neste caso os reversos com certeza seriam usados. Você sabe nos dizer se tem indicios de atuação dos freios? Abraço Vinícius. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sydy Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 Vini, Tem sim. Eu vi uma foto ante-ontem onde se via qua as marcas de frenagens dos 4 pneus principais estavam íntegra até a saída da pista. A gente sabe quando o anti-skid estava atuando (pela cor da marca) e no caso dele a frenagem foi forte, mas efetiva. Ele não usaram os reversos na rejeição, mas ainda não se sabe o motivo. Uma pena. Abc, Sydy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Air Force One Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 Estive em Savannah, GA umas 3 semanas atrás observando uns testes da Gulfstream com o que devia ser um 450 e fiquei bastante impressionado com a capacidade de frenagem do avião. Aliás, não só eu me impressionei, na frequência da torre se escutou "uauuu" seguido de um "quite impressive." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinicius17 Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 Sydy, Triste demais. Não entendo nada de avionics do Gulfstream, mas sera que existe alguma possibilidade de terem setado as speeds errada? O flap, trim...etc esta monitorado pelo takeoff configuration, se estiver fora vai da warning quando setar potencia. Abraço. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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