A345_Leadership Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 14-May-2018 12:47 AM https://centreforaviation.com/members/direct-news/jal-establishment-of-a-new-international-low-cost-carrier-business-417361 Japan Airlines (JAL) today announced the decision to establish a new low-cost carrier (LCC) business for the international market. As described in the FY2017-2020 JAL Group Medium Term Management Plan, the company looks to develop and cultivate new business opportunities. The new LCC business will specifically feature international routes with medium to long-haul flights and will aim to provide customers with new options when traveling to/from Japan. The company will be a consolidated subsidiary of the JAL Group and plans to operate flights from Narita International Airport to select destinations in Asia, Europe, and the Americas. In the first stages of its establishment, the carrier will operate two Boeing 787-8 aircraft and is targeting to launch commercial flights from the summer of 2020 when Narita Airport plans to complete enhancements to its facilities. To date, JAL has remained committed to refine its own full service carrier model while making key investments into Jetstar Japan. When JAL establishes the new LCC business, the company aims to create new demand, working along with the successful services provided by Jetstar Japan, which features domestic and short-haul international flights. Through these actions, the company will take on the challenge to deliver and meet the needs of diversified customer groups around the world. In alignment with the company`s Medium Term Management Plan, the LCC business is part of JAL`s `10 Year Grand Design` strategy where the company will accelerate growth through innovation, while contributing toward the country`s target to welcome new inbound visitors in the next 3 years and beyond. Details of the New Company Name of Firm – TBA Date of Establishment – July 2018 (Tentative) Airport Hub – Narita International Airport Business Model – International Air Transportation Services (Asia, Europe, Americas) Aircraft Fleet – Boeing 787-8 Capital/Investment Amount – TBA (JAL Group Consolidated Subsidiary) * to expand the business model, JAL plans to accept new investors for the LCC Representative of Firm – TBA (announced upon the establishment of the company) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
A345_Leadership Posted June 13, 2018 Author Share Posted June 13, 2018 JAL start up LCC Boeing 787-8s to be outfitted with more than 300 seats June 13, 2018 Japan Airlines (JAL) strategy development VP Hiroyuki Uehara, speaking at the CAPA LCCs in North Asia Summit, stated (12-Jun-2018) JAL plans to outfit Boeing 787-8 aircraft with more than 300 seats for its start up low cost long haul airline, significantly more than the number of seats on 787-8 aircraft deployed on JAL services. Mr Uehara said potential destinations for the start up LCC include “everything in range of the 787-8”, including destinations already operated by JAL and new destinations. https://blueswandaily.com/jal-start-up-lcc-boeing-787-8s-to-be-outfitted-with-more-than-300-seats/ ____________ Se tiverem uma C decente, mas não tão grande, uma Economy Plus e bastante econômica, quem sabe não voltem para o Brasil, que seria a rota mais longa operada por um LCC. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TheJoker Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 A Scoot opera 788 com 335 assentos. 21 W (2-3-2) 38" que eles chamam de Scootbiz 33 Y+ (3-3-3) 34-36" Scoot in silence 281 Y (3-3-3) 31" https://cdn.flyscoot.com/prod/docs/default-source/doc-our-fleet/b787_seat_map.pdf?sfvrsn=8e9913dc_3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
harry Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 JAL start up LCC Boeing 787-8s to be outfitted with more than 300 seats June 13, 2018 Japan Airlines (JAL) strategy development VP Hiroyuki Uehara, speaking at the CAPA LCCs in North Asia Summit, stated (12-Jun-2018) JAL plans to outfit Boeing 787-8 aircraft with more than 300 seats for its start up low cost long haul airline, significantly more than the number of seats on 787-8 aircraft deployed on JAL services. Mr Uehara said potential destinations for the start up LCC include “everything in range of the 787-8”, including destinations already operated by JAL and new destinations. https://blueswandaily.com/jal-start-up-lcc-boeing-787-8s-to-be-outfitted-with-more-than-300-seats/ ____________ Se tiverem uma C decente, mas não tão grande, uma Economy Plus e bastante econômica, quem sabe não voltem para o Brasil, que seria a rota mais longa operada por um LCC. O 787-8 consegue fazer JPN-BRA direto? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thgsr08 Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 O 787-8 consegue fazer JPN-BRA direto? Não. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MateusRCL Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 O 787-8 consegue fazer JPN-BRA direto? Não, mas poderia operar NRT(ou HND)-JFK-GRU, que de acordo com o gcmap é quase a mesma distância do voo direto, só precisando reabastecer em JFK e ainda levar passageiros entre GRU e JFK e vice-versa 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
A345_Leadership Posted June 13, 2018 Author Share Posted June 13, 2018 Ou fazer o sonho de muitos a.netters: Tokyo-Miami, esticando até GRU. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RIC2209 Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 Pessoal tem certa obsessão com possíveis voos Japão- Brasil ou coisa parecida. No atual cenário a chance de acontecer é praticamente zero. Mas como sonham... 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rbullara Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 Pessoal tem certa obsessão com possíveis voos Japão- Brasil ou coisa parecida. No atual cenário a chance de acontecer é praticamente zero. Mas como sonham... Brasil-Japão Latam de 380 Gol de 737-900 Fusão AD/ O6 Gol na SkyTeam Tem obsessões que nunca vão parar....rs 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thgsr08 Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 Brasil-Japão Latam de 380 Gol de 737-900 Fusão AD/ O6 Gol na SkyTeam Tem obsessões que nunca vão parar....rs HAHAHAHA gostei. Realmente já vi gente DESEJANDO 1 (HUM) B737-900 na frota da G3, dois ou três (galera é muito pontual) 787-8 e por ai vai. Fusão AD/O6 é novidade. Sério que acreditam nessa possibilidade? Vai entender... mas voltando... Vocês acreditam que com as alianças, code-shares e acordos, existe a possibilidade de algum voo entre Brasil e Japão, no melhor cenário possível, com uma escala em JFK? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thgsr08 Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 (edited) Brasil-Japão Latam de 380 Gol de 737-900 Fusão AD/ O6 Gol na SkyTeam Tem obsessões que nunca vão parar....rs Fiquei imaginando a config da LATAM no 380, C30Y720. Seria um "cata jeca", GRU-MIA-JFK-LHR-CDG-MAD-GIG-GRU. HAHAHAHAHAHA Edited June 14, 2018 by thgsr08 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
boulosandre Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 Brasil-Japão Latam de 380 Gol de 737-900 Fusão AD/ O6 Gol na SkyTeam Tem obsessões que nunca vão parar....rs Não acho que sejam obsessões, mas desejos legítimos de cada um de nós. Alguns menos factíveis, outros bastante prováveis. Anos atrás, se alguém dissesse que a LAN se fundiria/compraria a TAM, que a GOL se tornaria a maior companhia do país, que a Azul serviria o maior número de destinos, que a Oceanair se tornaria A cia da Star Alliance no país, que a Latam voaria para tantos destinos internacionais como agora....também haveria gente os chamando de obsessivos...e aí está a realidade. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TheJoker Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 GLAI é a maior em termos de RPK e PAX doméstico. Em faturamento, RPK e PAX total ainda é a TAM S/A. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
leelatim Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 GLAI é a maior em termos de RPK e PAX doméstico. Em faturamento, RPK e PAX total ainda é a TAM S/A. Esse assunto sempre é mal explicado né , simplesmente separam os passageiros doméstico dos internacionais e dizem que a Gol é a maior empresa aérea do Brasil, a Latam Brasil segue transportando mais, porém no doméstico não , mas para mim não existem duas empresas, que eu saiba a mesma Gol e a mesma Latam Brasil( Tam) operam com o mesmo CNPJ no doméstico e no internacional, não são duas empresas, como LAN Express e LAN Internacional, lá sim, são separadas. No meu entendimento a Tam ainda é a maior 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
A340-600 Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 Poderiam ter 787 com 300 assentos com uma pequena C flatbed simples. Os da UX, por exemplo, são configurados com 298 pax: 22C/276Y. Migrando de C flatbad para um produto à la Economica Premium poderiam ter uns 335, como a Jetstar e Scoot: 21Y+/314Y: 335 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
A345_Leadership Posted June 15, 2018 Author Share Posted June 15, 2018 Brasil-Japão Latam de 380 Gol de 737-900 Fusão AD/ O6 Gol na SkyTeam Tem obsessões que nunca vão parar....rs Faltou a Gol com o B787 Mas depois que TAM foi de MD-11, Azul de ATR e A330, Gol comprando a "Varig" (tá era a VRN, não a original), não duvido de mais nada... Vocês acreditam que com as alianças, code-shares e acordos, existe a possibilidade de algum voo entre Brasil e Japão, no melhor cenário possível, com uma escala em JFK? Tem um outro tópico que discutimos isso. Na minha opinião, JAL no Brasil teria que ser tripartite, com ela, LATAM e AA alinhadas. E no NRT-MIA (para alegria de muitos ), pois NRT-GRU-JFK está ofertadíssima. Esse assunto sempre é mal explicado né , simplesmente separam os passageiros doméstico dos internacionais e dizem que a Gol é a maior empresa aérea do Brasil, a Latam Brasil segue transportando mais, porém no doméstico não , mas para mim não existem duas empresas, que eu saiba a mesma Gol e a mesma Latam Brasil( Tam) operam com o mesmo CNPJ no doméstico e no internacional, não são duas empresas, como LAN Express e LAN Internacional, lá sim, são separadas. No meu entendimento a Tam ainda é a maior No final isso é título "maior companhia doméstica, maior companhia nacional, maior número de cidades atendidas", etc... Em muitas variáveis a LATAM, para o bem ou mal, ainda é a líder. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TheJoker Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 August 22, 2018 Japan Airlines’ (JAL) new LCC unit is one step closer to becoming a reality. The Japanese carrier is looking to significantly increase the seat density of two of its Boeing 787-8 Dreamliner aircraft and assign them to the new LCC spinoff. Japan Airlines aims to put this LCC into markets across Asia, Europe, and America. The LCC holding company was formally established on August 2, 2018, under the company name TBL Co. Ltd. The headquarters are to be at Tokyo-Narita Airport. Leading the airline into this new direction is JAL’s VP of Global Sales, Steve Smith, who has assigned Shinto Nishida as the representative director. Smith said to those at the Boyd Group International Aviation Forecast Summit that the LCC market share in Asia is practically the same for North America and Europe. “One in every two seats,” Smith says, pointing at a 50% share between full service and LCCs. Smith also said that JAL is a “high-yield carrier and we are missing out on a big part of the market.” The low-cost carrier is set to commence operations in the Summer of 2020, in time for the Olympic games in Tokyo. The airline will operate two 787-8s with the intention of hitting the 290-300 seat range. In comparison, JAL has one of the industry’s least dense configurations on their Dreamliners, offering between 161 and 186 seats. The low-cost carrier is part of JAL’s strategy of expanding the number of cities they intend on serving. The group wishes to increase the number of cities from 343 to 500 as well as making non-Japenese revenues hit a target of 50%. This strategy is aligned with Japan’s current social crisis, where more than 30% of the Japanese population is 65 or older. The airline plans to stimulate the overseas market and bringing people into Japan. With this, the full-service airline market in Japan seems to be reaching its maximum capacity, with an all-new opportunity ready to be exploited in the low-cost spectrum of the industry. The airline has not disclosed which routes will be served first. However, it is likley that destinations where young travelers with more restricted budgets during peak season will be the airline’s first targets. https://airwaysmag.com/industry/japan-airlines-thinking-low-cost-new-lcc-established/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
A345_Leadership Posted August 23, 2018 Author Share Posted August 23, 2018 Há um fator preocupante para as japonesas, o CASK, arrisco a dizer que é o mais alto do mundo. Da mesma forma que o RASK do mercado japonês é um dos mais altos (basta ver que a JAL dá ao luxo do 787 com 161 assentos). Se o RASK cobre o CASK, como ocorre na ANA e na JAL, tudo bem. Mas o mercado japonês está em trajetória de declínio, por causa do envelhecimento da população. Então o RASK não segurará as pontas no longo prazo. A solução é buscar mais receitas fora do seu mercado, apostando em sexta liberdade (conexões). Mas aí esbarra na questão dos vizinhos: Coréia do Sul tem CASK bem inferior ao japonês, e a China mais baixo ainda, sem falar que diversas províncias estão incentivando novos voos CN-US/UE, matando o mercado de conexões que tradicionalmente iam via Seoul ou Tokyo, Então, é nisso que a ideia de LCC long haul da JAL se encaixa: pegar parte deste público e tirar os japoneses que voam para onde a JAL ou ANA não opera, ou que operavam. São mercados como Amsterdam, Zurich, Las Vegas, Miami, Madrid, Vienna e até mesmo voos fora de Tokyo, como Osaka-Paris, Nagoya-Londres e Osaka-Nova Iorque. Dependendo do produto a ser oferecido, quem sabe não teremos esta empresa aqui? Se a LCC da JAL for o padrão LATAM (apenas referência), então dá para encarar 24h até Tokyo. A ANA também está indo nesta direção, só que forma mais discreta, visando pegar o mercado havaiano (onde a JAL domina). Basta ver que os A380 estarão sob tutela da Vanilla Air. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
A345_Leadership Posted February 27, 2019 Author Share Posted February 27, 2019 Aparentemente o nome será Zipair com nome e domínio já registrados. Pode ser um trocadilho com a palavra Zipang (Cipango), versão arcaica da palavra Japão e como os chineses chamavam o país. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TheJoker Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 Air Canada já teve uma LCC. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TheJoker Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 Japan`s First Medium to Long-Haul Low-Cost Carrier "ZIPAIR Tokyo" Now Established! During a press conference held at Japan Airlines Headquarters on Friday afternoon, T.B.L. Co., Ltd. Representative Director and President, Shingo Nishida, announced the name of Japan`s first medium to long-haul low cost carrier as ZIPAIR. With the registration now official, the company will be established as ZIPAIR Tokyo Co., Ltd., as of March 8, 2019. As previously announced, the new carrier will prepare for launch during the summer schedule of 2020. Brand and Trade NameAs a result of this announcement, T.B.L. Co., Ltd. will officially change its trade name to ZIPAIR Tokyo Co., Ltd. and has released the company`s logo as shown above. About the Name'ZIPAIR Tokyo' is a coined word derived from the English word ZIP, which describes speed, such as how fast time can pass when traveling on a unique airline. In addition, the brand name incorporates the idea of traveling to destinations in various ZIP CODES, while aiming to create a calculated travel experience that encompasses the originality and ingenuity of the Japanese culture. And finally, the word Tokyo was added to the name, as the airline will be based in one of the most advanced cities in the world. About the Logo and Corporate ColorThe logo was developed in consultation with SIX INC.; a creative engagement agency based in Tokyo and has a track record of winning more than 400 creative awards in Japan and abroad, including CANNES LIONS.(SIX INC. URL - sixinc.jp) The font is set in Roman and the corporate image will feature two-tones in what the company calls Harmony Gray and Trust Green. The gray tone features a feeling of balance and satisfaction with the cost of services provided, while green provides a sense of safety. Going forward, ZIPAIR will feature this unique logo and color scheme in its corporate branding materials. Additional LogosThe [Z_] logo is a combination of the first letter in ZIP followed by a space the company calls Infinite Blank. This logo encapsulates the attitude to infinitely pursue services that meets the needs of the customers. Brand Logo 1 Brand Logo 2 Corporate Color Application for Air Transportation Business LicenseZIPAIR Tokyo Co., Ltd. applied for an air operator's certificate to the Ministry of Land, Infrastructure and Transport on March 8, under Article 100 of the Aviation law. The contents of the air operator's certificate application include:Aircraft: Boeing 787-8Business Profile: To operate the following routes from the 2020 Summer Schedule- Tokyo (Narita) = Bangkok Suvarnabhumi International Airport- Tokyo (Narita) = Seoul-Incheon International Airport Recruitment of PersonnelRecruitment briefings will be held in April 2019. We are looking for employees full of spirit who will be active in a wide range of fields such as airport operations, planning services, as well as cabin crew, as opposed to the conventional recruitment style of filling a singular role in a corporation. The website to accept applications for ZIPAIR Tokyo is scheduled to open at 17:00 (Japan Time) on March 8, 2019. URL: http://www.zipairtokyo.com/ja/job/ http://press.jal.co.jp/en/items/uploads/919a3c16e4449323f032ac14aa0ce83db191c071.pdf Quote Link to post Share on other sites
A345_Leadership Posted March 8, 2019 Author Share Posted March 8, 2019 Que nome cretino, ainda para adicionar colocam Tokyo, pessoal da região de Kinki, Sapporo e Hakata vai adorar, sqn. Melhor nem imaginar o livery com esta fonte medíocre, o "minimalismo japonês". Poderiam voltar o nome JALways. BKK e ICN é o arroz-com-feijão. Poderiam ter uma base em Osaka para voos com destino à Paris, Londres e Nova Iorque, talvez com um CASK mais baixo consigam trabalhar Osaka. Ah mas lá não é Tokyo Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sbpa Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 Eu nutri uma antipatia à primeira vista a ela já, assim como tb o fiz em relação à neofinada Joon. Sei lá, não sei pq, mas gostei, não curti. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Geoshina Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 Nome estranho. Parece nome de cia cargueira. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
flightFernando Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 Lembrei de uma época: TAF voou um Breguinha ex ZIP canadense, chegou todo surrado com várias móssas, afundamento de piso, incontáveis bacalhaus... foi dado um apelido muito amoroso pelo grupo de voo, o "boiola"(éra todo rosa choque!) depois gracinha... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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